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		<title>By: Adamu Usman</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-89087</link>
		<dc:creator>Adamu Usman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need more details about solar panel</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-88906</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put the coffee cup down, and step away.......</description>
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		<title>By: Uncle B</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-88904</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solar in desert regions makes sense, but northern Canada must rely on Wind, denser wind due to lower temperatures, but wind none the less! Solar will eventually triumph in the south if greed doesn&#039;t make Nuclear the way to go! Fast and powerful counts, especially in the U.S.A. and they have the finances that control our world, so far, but I&#039;m an ardent China Watcher too, and things may change soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solar in desert regions makes sense, but northern Canada must rely on Wind, denser wind due to lower temperatures, but wind none the less! Solar will eventually triumph in the south if greed doesn&#8217;t make Nuclear the way to go! Fast and powerful counts, especially in the U.S.A. and they have the finances that control our world, so far, but I&#8217;m an ardent China Watcher too, and things may change soon!</p>
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		<title>By: EnergyChina</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-86610</link>
		<dc:creator>EnergyChina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This looks great!

I think if it is widely applied, it will boom the development of solar.</description>
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<p>I think if it is widely applied, it will boom the development of solar.</p>
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		<title>By: tine</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-85532</link>
		<dc:creator>tine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi.im just wondering, is there any other substitute to titanium dioxide?a cheaper source, or economical as they say.? can you explain it to me further?

thankyou.

tine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi.im just wondering, is there any other substitute to titanium dioxide?a cheaper source, or economical as they say.? can you explain it to me further?</p>
<p>thankyou.</p>
<p>tine.</p>
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		<title>By: Shekhar Arora</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-83544</link>
		<dc:creator>Shekhar Arora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 13:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Vinay/Arthur,

I am looking for Solar power for my house, so probably i will go for DSSC, Can you help in doing so?
I want to know the complete procedure.
Thanks a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vinay/Arthur,</p>
<p>I am looking for Solar power for my house, so probably i will go for DSSC, Can you help in doing so?<br />
I want to know the complete procedure.<br />
Thanks a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: verwertbare Energie kontra zugeführte Energie - Wenn Brot und Nudeln Gift sind &#124; Energie Live</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-82574</link>
		<dc:creator>verwertbare Energie kontra zugeführte Energie - Wenn Brot und Nudeln Gift sind &#124; Energie Live</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Eine Diät wirkt immer dann, wenn eine einfache Bedingung erfüllt &gt; wird: nämlich dem Körper weniger [...]</description>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-82087</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The worms are the spice! and really guys, he looks like the bad guy from 12 monkeys.</description>
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		<title>By: SF</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-82085</link>
		<dc:creator>SF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These posts are old, however, is there someone reading these in 2008?  Using Titanium Dioxide might be readily available and not require refining, BUT it still has to be extracted from the earth.  

Is any person, University or Company researching the use of recycled garbage for solar cell components?  This is a renewable resource and grows daily. It is available worldwide.  Eventually future supplies (if garbage production goes down) can be retrieved from old land fills. Look around, there are building being demolished, there are old plane, boats, cars sitting in graveyards, tires with steel belts littering the world, plastics, tin, electronics, batteries, appliances, carpets, clothing, ceramics, wood, roofing, everything made over the past 200 years of development that has become obsolete is sitting somewhere piling up. 

All this old junk and garbage came from earths natural materials.  Time to reuse it.  Maybe, it is considered too expensive to recycle it.  THAT thinking comes from the older generation.  Get out of the box, give it some real thought to turn old thoughts around and I believe you will find the solutions to cost and usages.

When our science and technology industry develops to a point that it stops looking for new ways to rape the earth of its natural materials, and reuse that which has already been extracted in some form or another, then the world can celebrate.  Until then, this is just another name or oil and coal and it is still too expensive.

According to the little I read, one has to use 10 times as many cells so it costs 10 times less.  DUH! same price.

Show me a site where Science and Technology has a different mindset. One that really wants to develop something new and exciting that is as readily available and affordable to everyone around the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These posts are old, however, is there someone reading these in 2008?  Using Titanium Dioxide might be readily available and not require refining, BUT it still has to be extracted from the earth.  </p>
<p>Is any person, University or Company researching the use of recycled garbage for solar cell components?  This is a renewable resource and grows daily. It is available worldwide.  Eventually future supplies (if garbage production goes down) can be retrieved from old land fills. Look around, there are building being demolished, there are old plane, boats, cars sitting in graveyards, tires with steel belts littering the world, plastics, tin, electronics, batteries, appliances, carpets, clothing, ceramics, wood, roofing, everything made over the past 200 years of development that has become obsolete is sitting somewhere piling up. </p>
<p>All this old junk and garbage came from earths natural materials.  Time to reuse it.  Maybe, it is considered too expensive to recycle it.  THAT thinking comes from the older generation.  Get out of the box, give it some real thought to turn old thoughts around and I believe you will find the solutions to cost and usages.</p>
<p>When our science and technology industry develops to a point that it stops looking for new ways to rape the earth of its natural materials, and reuse that which has already been extracted in some form or another, then the world can celebrate.  Until then, this is just another name or oil and coal and it is still too expensive.</p>
<p>According to the little I read, one has to use 10 times as many cells so it costs 10 times less.  DUH! same price.</p>
<p>Show me a site where Science and Technology has a different mindset. One that really wants to develop something new and exciting that is as readily available and affordable to everyone around the world.</p>
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		<title>By: kollege</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-71691</link>
		<dc:creator>kollege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>error: plz replace &quot;it&quot; with &quot;hemoglobin as titanium replacement&quot; in my last post.

btw: this should be done via small parts of our own dna. the enzyms are capable of forging proteins, if supplied with the proper enviroment, like sugar, water and some trace elements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>error: plz replace &#8220;it&#8221; with &#8220;hemoglobin as titanium replacement&#8221; in my last post.</p>
<p>btw: this should be done via small parts of our own dna. the enzyms are capable of forging proteins, if supplied with the proper enviroment, like sugar, water and some trace elements.</p>
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		<title>By: Greenest Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Organic Solar Cells - Getting More Efficient but Does it Matter?</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-71688</link>
		<dc:creator>Greenest Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Organic Solar Cells - Getting More Efficient but Does it Matter?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] now, we will continue to hope that the cost of silicon-based cells drops and we hope that this and other organic-based technologies will make their way to market, so that they can begin to serve a wider audience with a wide range [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] now, we will continue to hope that the cost of silicon-based cells drops and we hope that this and other organic-based technologies will make their way to market, so that they can begin to serve a wider audience with a wide range [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kollege</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-71662</link>
		<dc:creator>kollege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As hemoglobin is a protein, it should be possible to synthesize it from all kind of foods we use as nourishment, cause our bodies does the same. Our organism is able to create hemoglobin from a burger or the like...

If in far future titanium dioxide became rare, why not self-synthesizing it with our own bodies? Anybody an idea how much this woukd cost?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As hemoglobin is a protein, it should be possible to synthesize it from all kind of foods we use as nourishment, cause our bodies does the same. Our organism is able to create hemoglobin from a burger or the like&#8230;</p>
<p>If in far future titanium dioxide became rare, why not self-synthesizing it with our own bodies? Anybody an idea how much this woukd cost?</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-71214</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way flint stone knives are a lot sharper than any surgical steel and a lot easier to disinfect and keep sterile - that being the reason why nowadays some surgeons in fact start using flint stone blades again...
... and leather clothing isn&#039;t that bad...
Stone knives and bear skins are &quot;hatural high tech&quot; stuff highly refined over millions of years of evolution - maybe a bit like solar power harnessing via chlorophyll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way flint stone knives are a lot sharper than any surgical steel and a lot easier to disinfect and keep sterile &#8211; that being the reason why nowadays some surgeons in fact start using flint stone blades again&#8230;<br />
&#8230; and leather clothing isn&#8217;t that bad&#8230;<br />
Stone knives and bear skins are &#8220;hatural high tech&#8221; stuff highly refined over millions of years of evolution &#8211; maybe a bit like solar power harnessing via chlorophyll.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Nierman</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-71171</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Nierman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>party on garth</description>
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		<title>By: Zeno</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-70965</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy crap, the guy&#039;s name is Wayne Campbell!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy crap, the guy&#8217;s name is Wayne Campbell!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-70569</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nosha,

Sorry for the tone. It was not directed at you. :) Proteins are chemicals also. If you really want to split hairs they are both proteinaceous chelates or pro-enzymes if you prefer. Doesn&#039;t really matter about the terminology or the minor difference in molecular structure either. What does matter is efficientcy of energy transfer and stability at higher temperatures. Hemoglobin denatures more readily a higher temps. Chlorophyll takes evolutionary presidence and is more efficient at energy transfer, being an electron pump as opposed to a proton transfer mechanism. I was just pointing out the amazing similarities as my biology professor did, not the minor differences. Maybe I should not write at all and just draw pictures. We should be spending our time working on fusion anyway. Chemical processes for energy are like stone knives and bear skins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nosha,</p>
<p>Sorry for the tone. It was not directed at you. :) Proteins are chemicals also. If you really want to split hairs they are both proteinaceous chelates or pro-enzymes if you prefer. Doesn&#8217;t really matter about the terminology or the minor difference in molecular structure either. What does matter is efficientcy of energy transfer and stability at higher temperatures. Hemoglobin denatures more readily a higher temps. Chlorophyll takes evolutionary presidence and is more efficient at energy transfer, being an electron pump as opposed to a proton transfer mechanism. I was just pointing out the amazing similarities as my biology professor did, not the minor differences. Maybe I should not write at all and just draw pictures. We should be spending our time working on fusion anyway. Chemical processes for energy are like stone knives and bear skins.</p>
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		<title>By: nosha</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-70533</link>
		<dc:creator>nosha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um.
Jim: Hemoglobin is a protein.  Chlorophyll is a chemical.  They are not the same type of beast.  Hemoglobin contains a Heme structure, which is similar to the heme-like structure in chlorophyll, but there are more differences than just the Magnesium versus Iron atom at the center.  Maybe you need to type slower and think faster ;)

GreyFlcn:  No, titanium is of course not renewable, but it is not rare either.  Unfortumately the native Ti02 is not taken as is from the ground, it is first converted to a highly reactive Titanium tetrachloride and then converted back to the oxide as part of the purification process.  The  titanium tetrachloride is a unhappy molecule which spits out hydrochloride acid when it contacts moist air - the plants that produce the oxide do occasionally blow up and hurt people.
The good news is I don&#039;t know of a lot of toxic by-products produced in the whole process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um.<br />
Jim: Hemoglobin is a protein.  Chlorophyll is a chemical.  They are not the same type of beast.  Hemoglobin contains a Heme structure, which is similar to the heme-like structure in chlorophyll, but there are more differences than just the Magnesium versus Iron atom at the center.  Maybe you need to type slower and think faster ;)</p>
<p>GreyFlcn:  No, titanium is of course not renewable, but it is not rare either.  Unfortumately the native Ti02 is not taken as is from the ground, it is first converted to a highly reactive Titanium tetrachloride and then converted back to the oxide as part of the purification process.  The  titanium tetrachloride is a unhappy molecule which spits out hydrochloride acid when it contacts moist air &#8211; the plants that produce the oxide do occasionally blow up and hurt people.<br />
The good news is I don&#8217;t know of a lot of toxic by-products produced in the whole process.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-70146</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 04:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t that guy in the picture look alot like the bad guy in 12 Monkeys?</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/04/08/organic-solar-cell-breakthrough/comment-page-1/#comment-70145</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 04:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colour? Also please type slower. I am having trouble keeping up.</description>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 02:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All these posts are rubbish. If you had an idea, you wouldn&#039;t be here in the first place. By the way, and I am writing slowly, cause I know that some folks don&#039;t read that fast. Hemoglobin and Chlorophyll are the same molecule except for the central atom. Anybody know the difference out of you geniuses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these posts are rubbish. If you had an idea, you wouldn&#8217;t be here in the first place. By the way, and I am writing slowly, cause I know that some folks don&#8217;t read that fast. Hemoglobin and Chlorophyll are the same molecule except for the central atom. Anybody know the difference out of you geniuses?</p>
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