Comments on: Running The Numbers – Bending Swords Into Wind Turbines http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/ The voice of The Sietch community Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:56:20 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: wind power cost http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-90550 wind power cost Mon, 18 Jan 2010 04:47:21 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-90550 Your article is good. I am DIYer, building a homemade wind turbine is a part of my plans. Now i am engaged in researching how much does wind power cost. I think with the method you have mentioned, The wind power cost will be lower! Thank you very much. This is my wind turbine plans, If have time, give my some advice. http://www.squidoo.com/wind_power_cost Your article is good. I am DIYer, building a homemade wind turbine is a part of my plans. Now i am engaged in researching how much does wind power cost.
I think with the method you have mentioned, The wind power cost will be lower! Thank you very much.
This is my wind turbine plans, If have time, give my some advice.
http://www.squidoo.com/wind_power_cost

]]> By: johan tekila http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-89101 johan tekila Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:57:39 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-89101 Nice article you posted . Congratulation to decide going green and clean. We also preserve nature and save money by using free cost wind energy and that was by the help provided in: http://www.windpowercost.org Thanks for your post. Nice article you posted . Congratulation to decide going green and clean. We also preserve nature and save money by using free cost wind energy and that was by the help provided in: http://www.windpowercost.org Thanks for your post.

]]> By: Uncle B http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-83330 Uncle B Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:24:23 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-83330 We didn't win cheap oil from Iraq. They are not grateful enough to say thank you for killing their despot. Now we have to solve our own energy problems. Desert solar support for our inefficient power grid infrastructure and battery cars just aren't Macho-American, lets go destroy an oil country we can beat! We didn’t win cheap oil from Iraq. They are not grateful enough to say thank you for killing their despot. Now we have to solve our own energy problems. Desert solar support for our inefficient power grid infrastructure and battery cars just aren’t Macho-American, lets go destroy an oil country we can beat!

]]> By: The Sietch Blog » A Matter Of Priorities http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-82131 The Sietch Blog » A Matter Of Priorities Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:02:31 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-82131 [...] of cource would rather spend some of that extra money on renewable energy, but jebus, do we really need to spend so much money on war? Can’t we like pick some remote [...] [...] of cource would rather spend some of that extra money on renewable energy, but jebus, do we really need to spend so much money on war? Can’t we like pick some remote [...]

]]> By: Redirecting war dollars to renewable energy | GroovyGreen.com - Start Today :: Save Tomorrow http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-77155 Redirecting war dollars to renewable energy | GroovyGreen.com - Start Today :: Save Tomorrow Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:42:12 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-77155 [...] are controlling our money. If we make a stink about the way it’s spent things will change. Follow this link for the whole article. Iraq war sietch blog wind power Stumble it! reddit_url='http://groovygreen.com/groove/?p=1999' [...] [...] are controlling our money. If we make a stink about the way it’s spent things will change. Follow this link for the whole article. Iraq war sietch blog wind power Stumble it! reddit_url=’http://groovygreen.com/groove/?p=1999′ [...]

]]> By:   The Opportunity Cost of War in Iraq - One Man’s Blog http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-73951   The Opportunity Cost of War in Iraq - One Man’s Blog Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:13:30 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-73951 [...] was inspired by a fantastic article published by the Sietch Blog called Bending Swords Into Wind Turbines, so I decided to bring together some data to share on the opportunity costs associated with the [...] [...] was inspired by a fantastic article published by the Sietch Blog called Bending Swords Into Wind Turbines, so I decided to bring together some data to share on the opportunity costs associated with the [...]

]]> By: Michael http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-73636 Michael Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:37:00 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-73636 You know what really pisses me off, everybody comes to these sites and Bitch about all this, but nobody does anything about it after you are done writing your little grip then you will go about your bussiness. You see what happened was we the people of the United State Of America gave all the problem to the goverment, and now they run the show and we let them. We will never stand up and sat enough is enough, and Bush want's another 50 Billion for the war and I bet he get's it, while we complain about it on sites like this, and do nothing. and we never will, and Haliburton what a joke, did they not leave this country to avoid Taxes. You know what really pisses me off, everybody comes to these sites and Bitch about all this, but nobody does anything about it after you are done writing your little grip then you will go about your bussiness.
You see what happened was we the people of the United State Of America gave all the problem to the goverment, and now they run the show and we let them. We will never stand up and sat enough is enough, and Bush want’s another 50 Billion for the war and I bet he get’s it, while we complain about it on sites like this, and do nothing.
and we never will, and Haliburton what a joke, did they not leave this country to avoid Taxes.

]]> By: Spilled Beans | Prose Before Hos http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-73635 Spilled Beans | Prose Before Hos Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:35:41 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-73635 [...] If we had used the money spent on the Iraq war to build wind turbines instead we could have a third ... [...] [...] If we had used the money spent on the Iraq war to build wind turbines instead we could have a third … [...]

]]> By: Pollywogs! » Blog Archive » Uuuuuun. I say “Uuuuunnn!!!”. It has nothing to do with this post, but dammit I feel like saying “UUUUuuuuuuuNNNNNNNNhhhhaaa!!!!!” http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-73631 Pollywogs! » Blog Archive » Uuuuuun. I say “Uuuuunnn!!!”. It has nothing to do with this post, but dammit I feel like saying “UUUUuuuuuuuNNNNNNNNhhhhaaa!!!!!” Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:03:25 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-73631 [...] at that counter in the upper left hand of my blog.  That number is how much money has been stolen by the Bush Administration from the US public.  Fucking baby Jesus H. Christ in the ass, for fucks [...] [...] at that counter in the upper left hand of my blog.  That number is how much money has been stolen by the Bush Administration from the US public.  Fucking baby Jesus H. Christ in the ass, for fucks [...]

]]> By: Frances http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-73021 Frances Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:07:37 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-73021 @Dude It's true that the military industrial complex would have generated less money through less jobs. Do you really mean to say that it is more economical and ethically defensible to be employed in the industry of war which, through its very nature, requires people in large quantities to die? Is humanity here so that the military industrial complex has something to kill? Would it really be worse for people to have a job that would have a meaningfull impact on the eco-footprint of humanity? War is an old solution, we need new solutions. -If- and only if you really, absolutely, can't-do-it-any-other-way, have to have a war then at the very least it should be executed well. And this war has not been executed well. It still means wasting a lot of money and countless lives to serve someone's ambitions. I question the sincerity of the ambitions that absolutely require the death of many hundreds of thousands of people. You may be of a different opinion. @Dude

It’s true that the military industrial complex would have generated less money through less jobs. Do you really mean to say that it is more economical and ethically defensible to be employed in the industry of war which, through its very nature, requires people in large quantities to die? Is humanity here so that the military industrial complex has something to kill?

Would it really be worse for people to have a job that would have a meaningfull impact on the eco-footprint of humanity?

War is an old solution, we need new solutions. -If- and only if you really, absolutely, can’t-do-it-any-other-way, have to have a war then at the very least it should be executed well. And this war has not been executed well.
It still means wasting a lot of money and countless lives to serve someone’s ambitions. I question the sincerity of the ambitions that absolutely require the death of many hundreds of thousands of people.

You may be of a different opinion.

]]> By: appletree » Blog Archive » Tuesday Links: ‘White Blogger’ Edition http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-73020 appletree » Blog Archive » Tuesday Links: ‘White Blogger’ Edition Wed, 29 Aug 2007 05:54:44 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-73020 [...] What could we have done with the money spent on invading and occupying Iraq? For one thing, we could have subsidized the construction of enough wind turbines to supply 38% of America’s energy. [...] [...] What could we have done with the money spent on invading and occupying Iraq? For one thing, we could have subsidized the construction of enough wind turbines to supply 38% of America’s energy. [...]

]]> By: JA http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-73017 JA Wed, 29 Aug 2007 05:27:50 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-73017 How about the economic costs of all of the people who have died? I mean, it's a bit crass not to think of them, so let's just go the whole hog and consider how much wealth is foregone by not having them around anymore. Oh, and I'm not talking about the paltry "Coalition" deaths. I'm talking about the Iraqis. How about the economic costs of all of the people who have died?

I mean, it’s a bit crass not to think of them, so let’s just go the whole hog and consider how much wealth is foregone by not having them around anymore.

Oh, and I’m not talking about the paltry “Coalition” deaths. I’m talking about the Iraqis.

]]> By: Vinay Gupta http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-72983 Vinay Gupta Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:18:07 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-72983 If you ballpark the Iraq war's cost at $650 billion, that's $100 for every man, woman and child on the planet. If you take a more realistic estimate of $1.3 trillion, that's $200 each. That's enough for shelter and basic survival systems for the entire world. Do the math a different way. 20 million Iraqis, so that's about $32,000 each, or roughly equivalent to 10 years salary. Dumb dumb dumb. But most of the money goes to the defense contractors and halliburton, so it's just transferring wealth inside of America, from the taxpayers to the corporations. If you ballpark the Iraq war’s cost at $650 billion, that’s $100 for every man, woman and child on the planet.

If you take a more realistic estimate of $1.3 trillion, that’s $200 each.

That’s enough for shelter and basic survival systems for the entire world.

Do the math a different way. 20 million Iraqis, so that’s about $32,000 each, or roughly equivalent to 10 years salary.

Dumb dumb dumb. But most of the money goes to the defense contractors and halliburton, so it’s just transferring wealth inside of America, from the taxpayers to the corporations.

]]> By: Donald R Engen http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-72977 Donald R Engen Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:46:39 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-72977 It would not matter if the Iraq war cost 10 trillion dollars. Government does not cater to the whims of peoples needs but instead politicians spend for frivolous pork to get themselves reelected. The money would never get to the masses where it would do the most good. Politicians should be hung by the neck until dead It would not matter if the Iraq war cost 10 trillion dollars.

Government does not cater to the whims of peoples needs but instead politicians spend for frivolous pork to get themselves reelected.

The money would never get to the masses where it would do the most good.

Politicians should be hung by the neck until dead

]]> By: keithf http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-72969 keithf Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:31:56 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-72969 10% of interest on debt is one thing - just imagine what happens when the lenders call in their loans. Industrial governments will NEVER change the priorities on spending because it would mean changing the priorities of the dominant culture, and that would mean people being allowed to finally think for themselves rather than being hoiked from one crisis to another for the sake of keeping the powerful in power. 10% of interest on debt is one thing – just imagine what happens when the lenders call in their loans.

Industrial governments will NEVER change the priorities on spending because it would mean changing the priorities of the dominant culture, and that would mean people being allowed to finally think for themselves rather than being hoiked from one crisis to another for the sake of keeping the powerful in power.

]]> By: Chuck-ese » Somewhere, on the internet, somewhere, waiting for me… http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-72962 Chuck-ese » Somewhere, on the internet, somewhere, waiting for me… Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:00:16 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-72962 [...] The Opportunity Cost of the Iraq  War: Good points, all causes I support. However, we’re also really fucking far into debt. Fixing social/economic/education problems is a must, but we also need to start paying this thing down. Almost 10% of our budget is paying the interest on our debt! [...] [...] The Opportunity Cost of the Iraq  War: Good points, all causes I support. However, we’re also really fucking far into debt. Fixing social/economic/education problems is a must, but we also need to start paying this thing down. Almost 10% of our budget is paying the interest on our debt! [...]

]]> By: A D R http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-72956 A D R Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:50:32 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-72956 "Brian Cameron" Then it's a good thing the US went to war. Think of all the unpredictability that decision saved! “Brian Cameron”

Then it’s a good thing the US went to war.

Think of all the unpredictability that decision saved!

]]> By: Jay Blanchard http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-72954 Jay Blanchard Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:47:18 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-72954 Interesting article, but as I live in MA and watch how it is impossible to build a wind farm almost anywhere due to conservationist, naturist, NIMBY fellowship, animal rights groups, and even our Senator Kennedy (Cape Wind). I love the premise but you need to purge Washington off ALL the paid off representatives and senators before the plain truth ever reaches our leaders. Interesting article, but as I live in MA and watch how it is impossible to build a wind farm almost anywhere due to conservationist, naturist, NIMBY fellowship, animal rights groups, and even our Senator Kennedy (Cape Wind). I love the premise but you need to purge Washington off ALL the paid off representatives and senators before the plain truth ever reaches our leaders.

]]> By: Brian Cameron http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-72952 Brian Cameron Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:22:24 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-72952 I like the comparisons but remember that Wind is unpredictable and as such can only provide about 15-20% of the total power on the grid. Any more and the fluctuations would not be absorbed. I like the comparisons but remember that Wind is unpredictable and as such can only provide about 15-20% of the total power on the grid. Any more and the fluctuations would not be absorbed.

]]> By: dude http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/comment-page-1/#comment-72951 dude Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:14:05 +0000 http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/08/28/running-the-numbers-bending-swords-into-wind-turbines/#comment-72951 While I agree with most of your post, I have to protest your claim that using the Iraq war money on wind turbines would have created more jobs. After all, those bombs & bullets don't grow on trees, and the military industry would have a lot less jobs without the war. While I agree with most of your post, I have to protest your claim that using the Iraq war money on wind turbines would have created more jobs. After all, those bombs & bullets don’t grow on trees, and the military industry would have a lot less jobs without the war.

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