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	<title>Comments on: Want To Get Rid Of Traffic, Get Rid Of Cars</title>
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		<title>By: Do You Have the &#8220;Right of Way?&#8221; &#171; GreenDweller</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/11/06/want-to-get-rid-of-traffic-get-rid-of-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-80933</link>
		<dc:creator>Do You Have the &#8220;Right of Way?&#8221; &#171; GreenDweller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been thinking about traffic recently as a result of conversations here and here. Bicyclists always seem to be at the low end of the traffic totem pole. They technically [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Naib</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Naib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>laura:  It depends, you can make a very safe system with just a little rearrangement of how you paint lines on a road, for instance what if you moved the car park space out 3 feet and put the bike lane on the other side of the parked cars?  Or simply laid down a lane for bikes to ride in.  The vast majority of riders just want a small space on the road they can call their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>laura:  It depends, you can make a very safe system with just a little rearrangement of how you paint lines on a road, for instance what if you moved the car park space out 3 feet and put the bike lane on the other side of the parked cars?  Or simply laid down a lane for bikes to ride in.  The vast majority of riders just want a small space on the road they can call their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm...I would think having separate roads/lights just for bicycles is the safest option, but of course it&#039;s also the one that requires the most $ and change.  Even if there were a separate system, conflict would still occur during the &quot;last mile.&quot; I wonder if driver education in urban areas includes bicycle sensitivity?  Probably not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm&#8230;I would think having separate roads/lights just for bicycles is the safest option, but of course it&#8217;s also the one that requires the most $ and change.  Even if there were a separate system, conflict would still occur during the &#8220;last mile.&#8221; I wonder if driver education in urban areas includes bicycle sensitivity?  Probably not.</p>
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		<title>By: The Naib</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Naib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>laura: Besides the many many European cities (some mentioned above) that have massive investment in bicycle infrastructure, many cities in the north west of the United states have been working for several years to install bicycle infrastructure.  Some places even have entire separate roads with separate lights and everything.  The two wheel revolution doesn&#039;t have to look like India or China.

Mostly its a function of how much people push local governments.  If you really want to see bike infrastructure you have to be vocal about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>laura: Besides the many many European cities (some mentioned above) that have massive investment in bicycle infrastructure, many cities in the north west of the United states have been working for several years to install bicycle infrastructure.  Some places even have entire separate roads with separate lights and everything.  The two wheel revolution doesn&#8217;t have to look like India or China.</p>
<p>Mostly its a function of how much people push local governments.  If you really want to see bike infrastructure you have to be vocal about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lanes for bicycles are in lots of places now.  In London, many of them are used for parking by motorists.  The Dutch have some of the best cycle lanes . . . you can always pick the foriegners - they think cycle lanes are extra footpaths!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lanes for bicycles are in lots of places now.  In London, many of them are used for parking by motorists.  The Dutch have some of the best cycle lanes . . . you can always pick the foriegners &#8211; they think cycle lanes are extra footpaths!</p>
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		<title>By: Flexible houses</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flexible houses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cars are comfort but! they are the reason of traffic jams that get on nerves and pollute air. When waiting for my bus in the morning and lots of cars pass by, sometimes i simply hold my breathe not to inhale exhaust gas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cars are comfort but! they are the reason of traffic jams that get on nerves and pollute air. When waiting for my bus in the morning and lots of cars pass by, sometimes i simply hold my breathe not to inhale exhaust gas.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that the bicycles take up more room than the bus, although they more than make up for it with the opportunity for individual route and destination.  All the images I see of bicycle-dominated roads seem like chaos though, do you know if there are any cities that have a lane system or some sort of organization solely for their bicycle traffic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that the bicycles take up more room than the bus, although they more than make up for it with the opportunity for individual route and destination.  All the images I see of bicycle-dominated roads seem like chaos though, do you know if there are any cities that have a lane system or some sort of organization solely for their bicycle traffic?</p>
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		<title>By: AlienFarmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlienFarmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool picture!  The pic on the right sorta looks like North Korea though lets just get rid of gas cars and start using electric.

AlienFarmer
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool picture!  The pic on the right sorta looks like North Korea though lets just get rid of gas cars and start using electric.</p>
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