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		<title>By: Roel Solar Panels</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-91141</link>
		<dc:creator>Roel Solar Panels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there,

I believe that solar panels are an excellent way to provide clean, green and renewable energy to power a wide variety of devices. The power from solar panels is strong, reliable and easy to maintain. And on top of that it is also good for our environment. 

Thanks for a nice read. Wishing you all the best!

Cheers,
Roel</description>
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<p>I believe that solar panels are an excellent way to provide clean, green and renewable energy to power a wide variety of devices. The power from solar panels is strong, reliable and easy to maintain. And on top of that it is also good for our environment. </p>
<p>Thanks for a nice read. Wishing you all the best!</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Roel</p>
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		<title>By: Miss solar panel</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-89398</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss solar panel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great project really.</description>
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		<title>By: Andy H</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-89362</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even in england, the best saving would be heating water by solar power using black matt pipes, 14c outside but sunny and my solar water heater on the pond produced steam! Water heating costs us the most power. Obviously bugs live in the pipes so it needs to be heated and flushed now and then for the pond but if it was a closed unit then bugs don`t matter, just collect the heat.

Other systems seem to cost that much CO2 to produce the product that the saving is dis-counted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even in england, the best saving would be heating water by solar power using black matt pipes, 14c outside but sunny and my solar water heater on the pond produced steam! Water heating costs us the most power. Obviously bugs live in the pipes so it needs to be heated and flushed now and then for the pond but if it was a closed unit then bugs don`t matter, just collect the heat.</p>
<p>Other systems seem to cost that much CO2 to produce the product that the saving is dis-counted.</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-89348</link>
		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aloha! 
I&#039;ve put 18 solar PV panels and 2 solar water panels on my house in Hawaii and I&#039;m saving about $500/month on my power bill.  I&#039;m trying to get off the grid by mid 2011.  I&#039;ve saved about 50,000lbs of CO2 according to my Sunny Boy Converter.  
 
I want to get the word out about the monetary and Co2 savings available through solar power.  Would you consider doing a blog post about my house? I can provide pictures and more details.  

Here is some detail from my site http://www.alohatony.com/solar.php 
 
What do you think? 

Thanks, 
 
Tony Kawaguchi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aloha!<br />
I&#8217;ve put 18 solar PV panels and 2 solar water panels on my house in Hawaii and I&#8217;m saving about $500/month on my power bill.  I&#8217;m trying to get off the grid by mid 2011.  I&#8217;ve saved about 50,000lbs of CO2 according to my Sunny Boy Converter.  </p>
<p>I want to get the word out about the monetary and Co2 savings available through solar power.  Would you consider doing a blog post about my house? I can provide pictures and more details.  </p>
<p>Here is some detail from my site <a href="http://www.alohatony.com/solar.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.alohatony.com/solar.php</a> </p>
<p>What do you think? </p>
<p>Thanks, </p>
<p>Tony Kawaguchi</p>
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		<title>By: nyoka</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-88670</link>
		<dc:creator>nyoka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever seen the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flpcorporate.com/cgi-bin/products.pl?products.category=Solar%20Lights&amp;_layout=Solar%20Lights&amp;_cgifunction=search&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;solar light&lt;/a&gt;
that you can put in your garden? They are super cute</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever seen the <a href="http://www.flpcorporate.com/cgi-bin/products.pl?products.category=Solar%20Lights&amp;_layout=Solar%20Lights&amp;_cgifunction=search" rel="nofollow">solar light</a><br />
that you can put in your garden? They are super cute</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-86995</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry the solar panels are only going to account for 5% of the power used by the plant

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/147465/sharp_to_power_solar_panel_factory_with_solar_energy.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry the solar panels are only going to account for 5% of the power used by the plant</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/147465/sharp_to_power_solar_panel_factory_with_solar_energy.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/147465/sharp_to_power_solar_panel_factory_with_solar_energy.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy H</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-86306</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we all pr heated out water before using fuel to do it would save millions. It is relatively easy and cheap. Need masses of solar electricity to heat water but if it is pre heated by simple black coils warming our cold water into the boiler first then very efficient.

Some of these so called money saving/energy saving ideas take 2.5 life times to get your money back cos they cost so much to install!

Shame really but I guess we are doomed as a planet unless the greedy oil people and others realise this.

I guess they dont care as they will be dead before it matters so its just their grand children that will suffer along with ours.

(doom and gloom)!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we all pr heated out water before using fuel to do it would save millions. It is relatively easy and cheap. Need masses of solar electricity to heat water but if it is pre heated by simple black coils warming our cold water into the boiler first then very efficient.</p>
<p>Some of these so called money saving/energy saving ideas take 2.5 life times to get your money back cos they cost so much to install!</p>
<p>Shame really but I guess we are doomed as a planet unless the greedy oil people and others realise this.</p>
<p>I guess they dont care as they will be dead before it matters so its just their grand children that will suffer along with ours.</p>
<p>(doom and gloom)!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Residential Solar Power</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-86296</link>
		<dc:creator>Residential Solar Power</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solar Power is the way of the future. All the energy we need!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solar Power is the way of the future. All the energy we need!</p>
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		<title>By: sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-86284</link>
		<dc:creator>sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nevertheless, Solar power will definitely be agood help in terms of production in different industries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nevertheless, Solar power will definitely be agood help in terms of production in different industries.</p>
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		<title>By: Energy News &#171; Lady with a Hat</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-86034</link>
		<dc:creator>Energy News &#171; Lady with a Hat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Naib</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-84956</link>
		<dc:creator>The Naib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like you said Charles, you don&#039;t know any hard facts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like you said Charles, you don&#8217;t know any hard facts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be a pessimist. . .  How much energy is required to power the plant? Isn&#039;t solar still just a scam like wind and Ethanol?  I don&#039;t have hard facts, but I believe even the most efficient solar is somewhere around 18%.  Wind is around 16%, and Ethanol is in the mid 20&#039;s.  That means that it takes more energy to create it than you get back out of it.  I looked at buying a few 45w panels for my office to power my 30A battery backups.  At $400 per panel, it would take 17 years to recover the cost of the panels.  It would take another 30 years to recover the cost of the $2800 battery backup.  The only thing I couldn&#039;t find info on, is how long before the solar panel breaks down.  Sam commented about tetrachloride, that&#039;s the real pollution.  Oil burns into CO and CO2, which plants turn back into O2.  Tetrachloride stays tetrachloride.

I live in Iowa, and we have a barrage of ethanol plant popping up.  The sad science of it is that it takes about 3/4 gallon of oil to make 1 gallon of ethanol.   Planting, fertilizing, harvesting, refining all take oil.  On top of that, E85 ethanol get about 75%-85% of the mileage of regular unleaded.  So the actual efficiency is around 10%.  

It seems that renewable is still a pipe dream about 50-60 years from being practical still.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be a pessimist. . .  How much energy is required to power the plant? Isn&#8217;t solar still just a scam like wind and Ethanol?  I don&#8217;t have hard facts, but I believe even the most efficient solar is somewhere around 18%.  Wind is around 16%, and Ethanol is in the mid 20&#8217;s.  That means that it takes more energy to create it than you get back out of it.  I looked at buying a few 45w panels for my office to power my 30A battery backups.  At $400 per panel, it would take 17 years to recover the cost of the panels.  It would take another 30 years to recover the cost of the $2800 battery backup.  The only thing I couldn&#8217;t find info on, is how long before the solar panel breaks down.  Sam commented about tetrachloride, that&#8217;s the real pollution.  Oil burns into CO and CO2, which plants turn back into O2.  Tetrachloride stays tetrachloride.</p>
<p>I live in Iowa, and we have a barrage of ethanol plant popping up.  The sad science of it is that it takes about 3/4 gallon of oil to make 1 gallon of ethanol.   Planting, fertilizing, harvesting, refining all take oil.  On top of that, E85 ethanol get about 75%-85% of the mileage of regular unleaded.  So the actual efficiency is around 10%.  </p>
<p>It seems that renewable is still a pipe dream about 50-60 years from being practical still.</p>
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		<title>By: Construyendo paneles solares con energ&#237;a solar</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-84523</link>
		<dc:creator>Construyendo paneles solares con energ&#237;a solar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Top Nuclear Stories (June 27th - 30th) &#124; The Energy Net</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-84514</link>
		<dc:creator>Top Nuclear Stories (June 27th - 30th) &#124; The Energy Net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Sietch Blog Â» Solar Powered Solar Power Something that has long been a dream of mine looks like it will be a reality soon. I have always wanted to see a solar powered solar panel factory, or a wind powered wind turbine factory. Basically you use a little fossil fuels to get started, then the first however many turbines/panels off the line power the factory, from then on in itâ€™s all carbon neutral. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Sietch Blog Â» Solar Powered Solar Power Something that has long been a dream of mine looks like it will be a reality soon. I have always wanted to see a solar powered solar panel factory, or a wind powered wind turbine factory. Basically you use a little fossil fuels to get started, then the first however many turbines/panels off the line power the factory, from then on in itâ€™s all carbon neutral. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Top Nuclear Stories (June 23rd-27th) &#124; The Energy Net</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-84490</link>
		<dc:creator>Top Nuclear Stories (June 23rd-27th) &#124; The Energy Net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Sietch Blog Â» Solar Powered Solar Power Something that has long been a dream of mine looks like it will be a reality soon. I have always wanted to see a solar powered solar panel factory, or a wind powered wind turbine factory. Basically you use a little fossil fuels to get started, then the first however many turbines/panels off the line power the factory, from then on in itâ€™s all carbon neutral. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Sietch Blog Â» Solar Powered Solar Power Something that has long been a dream of mine looks like it will be a reality soon. I have always wanted to see a solar powered solar panel factory, or a wind powered wind turbine factory. Basically you use a little fossil fuels to get started, then the first however many turbines/panels off the line power the factory, from then on in itâ€™s all carbon neutral. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-84480</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such a wicked cool idea. I wish we had been so thoughtful of the environment 100 years ago and we&#039;d never be in this position. Now to clean up toxins in our water, yay!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such a wicked cool idea. I wish we had been so thoughtful of the environment 100 years ago and we&#8217;d never be in this position. Now to clean up toxins in our water, yay!</p>
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		<title>By: Kwoff.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kwoff.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Sietch Blog » Solar Powered Solar Power...&lt;/strong&gt;

Using renewables to make renewables...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Sietch Blog » Solar Powered Solar Power&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Using renewables to make renewables&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Padre Zippo</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-84476</link>
		<dc:creator>Padre Zippo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well yes, but that&#039;s on the order of 10^-27 kg per reaction. I meant something more along the lines of Mr. Fusion from Back to the Future :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well yes, but that&#8217;s on the order of 10^-27 kg per reaction. I meant something more along the lines of Mr. Fusion from Back to the Future :D</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-84472</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if we had some magical mass to energy converting machine.&quot;

Are they not called Nuclear Power Stations?</description>
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<p>Are they not called Nuclear Power Stations?</p>
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		<title>By: padre zippo</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2008/06/25/solar-powered-solar-power/comment-page-1/#comment-84471</link>
		<dc:creator>padre zippo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it&#039;s around 245,000 MWh per year.

However, that means the plant is running 24 hours a day, which is impossible, if we say around 3000 hours accounting for nighttime and cloudy days, then it works out to be 84,000 MWh per year, which just out of interest, is equivalent to about 3 grams if we had some magical mass to energy converting machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it&#8217;s around 245,000 MWh per year.</p>
<p>However, that means the plant is running 24 hours a day, which is impossible, if we say around 3000 hours accounting for nighttime and cloudy days, then it works out to be 84,000 MWh per year, which just out of interest, is equivalent to about 3 grams if we had some magical mass to energy converting machine.</p>
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