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	<title>Comments on: UK Announces 34% Reduction in Greenhouse Emissions by 2020</title>
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		<title>By: keithf</title>
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		<dc:creator>keithf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are so many things wrong with it at the very lowest levels: apart from working towards a target that will still guarantee catastrophic climate change (80% reductions for industrial nations by 2050), and that the 21% emissions already reduced are now in an upward trajectory, the plan is predecated in continued economic growth, which can never be sustainable. This is a response I made to someone about the the US Clean Energy Bill, which applies just as well here:

&gt; The Climate Bill is a difficult one for a couple of
&gt; reasons: first, the climate bill in question will only make
&gt; a tiny dent in the overall greenhouse gas emissions of the
&gt; USA, and have almost no effect on the amount of these gases
&gt; in the atmosphere -- for that, a reduction of at least 50%
&gt; by 2020, and at least 95% by 2030 is required, otherwise
&gt; planetary heating will almost certainly exceed 2C by the end
&gt; of the century. The slower the reductions, the larger the
&gt; overall volume of persistent greenhouse gases (especially
&gt; carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide) in the atmosphere, based
&gt; on average carbon dioxide persistence times of 50-200 years.
&gt; Slow and steady is disasterous!
&gt; 
&gt; Second, whatever proposals the finalised bill comes up
&gt; with, even if passed, they will be undercut by corporate
&gt; lobbying, greenwash and &quot;offsetting&quot;. Remember, in the
&gt; industrial world, profit is king, and *nothing* is allowed
&gt; to affect this.

Half of the UK reductions are based on offsetting and trading (includes the far-off CCS), which have no precedent of success at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many things wrong with it at the very lowest levels: apart from working towards a target that will still guarantee catastrophic climate change (80% reductions for industrial nations by 2050), and that the 21% emissions already reduced are now in an upward trajectory, the plan is predecated in continued economic growth, which can never be sustainable. This is a response I made to someone about the the US Clean Energy Bill, which applies just as well here:</p>
<p>&gt; The Climate Bill is a difficult one for a couple of<br />
&gt; reasons: first, the climate bill in question will only make<br />
&gt; a tiny dent in the overall greenhouse gas emissions of the<br />
&gt; USA, and have almost no effect on the amount of these gases<br />
&gt; in the atmosphere &#8212; for that, a reduction of at least 50%<br />
&gt; by 2020, and at least 95% by 2030 is required, otherwise<br />
&gt; planetary heating will almost certainly exceed 2C by the end<br />
&gt; of the century. The slower the reductions, the larger the<br />
&gt; overall volume of persistent greenhouse gases (especially<br />
&gt; carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide) in the atmosphere, based<br />
&gt; on average carbon dioxide persistence times of 50-200 years.<br />
&gt; Slow and steady is disasterous!<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Second, whatever proposals the finalised bill comes up<br />
&gt; with, even if passed, they will be undercut by corporate<br />
&gt; lobbying, greenwash and &#8220;offsetting&#8221;. Remember, in the<br />
&gt; industrial world, profit is king, and *nothing* is allowed<br />
&gt; to affect this.</p>
<p>Half of the UK reductions are based on offsetting and trading (includes the far-off CCS), which have no precedent of success at all.</p>
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		<title>By: The Naib</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Naib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>keith, other than this guy being a dick, I would be interested in hearing what you think of the plan itself?  Do you think it has merit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>keith, other than this guy being a dick, I would be interested in hearing what you think of the plan itself?  Do you think it has merit?</p>
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		<title>By: keithf</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2009/07/15/uk-announces-34-reduction-in-greenhouse-emissions-by-2020/comment-page-1/#comment-88765</link>
		<dc:creator>keithf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed Miliband is a hypocritical arsehole.

Here&#039;s something about it: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/jul/15/working-class-aviation-lobby&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/jul/15/working-class-aviation-lobby&lt;/a&gt;

Worth reading the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed Miliband is a hypocritical arsehole.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s something about it: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/jul/15/working-class-aviation-lobby" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/jul/15/working-class-aviation-lobby</a></p>
<p>Worth reading the comments.</p>
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